tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19394281.post1517951970088197253..comments2023-10-18T08:43:10.620-04:00Comments on The Flame Trench space news and analysis: Using existing rockets could save taxpayers cashC Perezhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13916832810035419167noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19394281.post-45009963636686114232009-08-25T18:10:12.841-04:002009-08-25T18:10:12.841-04:00In order to utilize the EELV, extensive analysis t...In order to utilize the EELV, extensive analysis to "man rate" the vehicles will be required for all aspects of ground and flight activities, systems and hardware. Should it be looked at? Why not? It is another option which has existing technology available. I am a strong supporter of the space program, I grew up here and definitely don't want to see massive job losses. But, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19394281.post-17665121045171346932009-08-25T11:20:22.744-04:002009-08-25T11:20:22.744-04:00I want to reiterate I am not lobbying for the EELV...I want to reiterate I am not lobbying for the EELVs as the choice here. I'm noting that it could save taxpayers money, compared to Ares. What Ares would not provide is lower per-launch costs for other customers, particularly the government. More flights on EELVs will stabilize and lower the per-launch charge to the military and intelligence agencies, as well as add value to the country's John Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04065607079350698475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19394281.post-19481113639575699332009-08-25T11:10:00.217-04:002009-08-25T11:10:00.217-04:00I'm fascinated by all the blanket statements t...I'm fascinated by all the blanket statements that imply how easy it will be to turn EELV into the ‘next’ big thing, how they will be ‘safer’, how they will be less expensive. The very argument Mr. Kelly uses - “possibly expanding use of the EELVs we already paid and paid handsomely to develop” can essentially be used for ARES. At this point – it’s ALL laced with political rhetoric.<br /><Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19394281.post-71614718705785726332009-08-25T10:43:55.370-04:002009-08-25T10:43:55.370-04:00Augustine Committee didn't look at commercial ...Augustine Committee didn't look at commercial space shuttle...It's the best option for human launch cost. The Orion alone will cost is at least $345 million per launch...it's a no go.Don Nelsonhttp://www.nasaproblems.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19394281.post-31496007235754558082009-08-25T04:31:11.670-04:002009-08-25T04:31:11.670-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Todd Halvorsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00786024847977866951noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19394281.post-65807794393102066572009-08-25T04:24:44.068-04:002009-08-25T04:24:44.068-04:00You must be kidding. Fly astronauts on a Delta IV ...You must be kidding. Fly astronauts on a Delta IV rocket that can't even loft ballast into the proper orbit? <br /><br />Mission Control to crew: "Ah, sorry guys. But we left you about 10,000 miles short. Have a nice day."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19394281.post-91820601717156579842009-08-25T02:31:18.401-04:002009-08-25T02:31:18.401-04:00"The one that matches up best in terms of cos..."The one that matches up best in terms of cost, schedule and capability should be chosen." [John Kelly 8:08 PM]<br />But what if the answer is Soyuz! Bearing in mind a politically expedient ESA-Soyuz at Kourou (Guiana Space Center)is available ...once they have finished launching the Galileo GPS Constellation. <br />I would add in passing that the DIRECT team has done well to pass Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19394281.post-79380306942861266832009-08-25T00:46:08.765-04:002009-08-25T00:46:08.765-04:00"Until just recently Florida Today has been d..."Until just recently Florida Today has been drinking the NASA PAO Kool-Aid by the gallon. Florida Today has just started to see the light, concerning how wrong Ares I really is."<br />Agreed.<br />I have been posting in support of the EELV's as a shuttle replacement for some time and only now does FT seem to support it.<br />It is so easy for a job-scared county as Brevard to speak Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19394281.post-31509415534644088112009-08-24T21:45:23.994-04:002009-08-24T21:45:23.994-04:00John,
NASA certainly shouldn't be a jobs prog...John,<br /><br />NASA certainly shouldn't be a jobs program. But remaining in political office is making sure the locals have their jobs. And NASA's KSC workforce is the only group we have that can launch people safely. That is on the minds of Rep. Kosmos, who is up for re-election in 2010, and to a lesser extent at this time Obama, who's also up in 2012. <br /><br />If the PresidentJim Hillhousenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19394281.post-13414485523422369042009-08-24T20:20:15.607-04:002009-08-24T20:20:15.607-04:00DIRECT vs. Side-Mount will not be a decision for C...DIRECT vs. Side-Mount will not be a decision for Congress, OMB, or the President. That level of detail is just too low for a decision to be made above NASA. It would be borderline micromanagement (not that NASA is any stranger to being micromanaged... doesn't make it right though). At best, the higher authorities will direct a Shuttle-Derived vehicle or some other alternative architecture.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19394281.post-36925552320946349282009-08-24T20:16:54.858-04:002009-08-24T20:16:54.858-04:00Everybody needs to remember that it's not just...Everybody needs to remember that it's not just the development costs that must be considered. The operational costs are, arguably, a much larger problem. During the last public hearing, one of the members of the commission made a great statement. Paraphrasing, "Even if we got our Christmas wish, and Santa delivered a fully developed Constellation Program at our front door, the very Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19394281.post-87970119933296439482009-08-24T20:08:34.559-04:002009-08-24T20:08:34.559-04:00That's how I understand it too. That's not...That's how I understand it too. That's not a knock on the DIRECT folks. They made their case again and got a chance to be heard. As I've written many times before, bring data and compare the launch vehicles. The one that matches up best in terms of cost, schedule and capability should be chosen. Not necessarily the one that protects the most current space shuttle program workers. ThatJohn Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04065607079350698475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19394281.post-58059605655360958042009-08-24T20:01:59.051-04:002009-08-24T20:01:59.051-04:00Very interesting article.
Kelly, yes, the Direct...Very interesting article. <br /><br />Kelly, yes, the Direct team presented to the HSF Committee. Unfortunately, their alternative, esp. for LEO missions, has many question marks since it is just a paper rocket. As for Lunar missions, if we still get that option from the President, nobody yet knows whether that will be with the Ares V, a Shuttle Derived Heavy Lift Vehicle (HLV), an Ares IV (Jim Hillhousenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19394281.post-63159801987921109142009-08-24T19:56:41.078-04:002009-08-24T19:56:41.078-04:00DIRECT is, technically, amongst the options where ...DIRECT is, technically, amongst the options where they talk Shuttle derived launch vehicles. However, Mr. Augustine specifically stated that they had no time or intent to get down into the details of exactly what that "shuttle derived" vehicle is... whether it be DIRECT or John Shannon's "Not Shuttle-C" side mount vehicle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19394281.post-22652821154254968382009-08-24T19:26:38.307-04:002009-08-24T19:26:38.307-04:00Is Direct among the options being put forward to t...Is Direct among the options being put forward to the president, meaning one of the options given any serious consideration?John Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04065607079350698475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19394281.post-62902169207022480072009-08-24T19:22:05.912-04:002009-08-24T19:22:05.912-04:00Give up trying to get Florida Today to look at Dir...Give up trying to get Florida Today to look at Direct. <br />We have been trying to get them to just talk to us for over two years now with no luck. <br />Until just recently Florida Today has been drinking the NASA PAO Kool-Aid by the gallon. Florida Today has just started to see the light, concerning how wrong Ares I really is.<br />Team Direct is willing to talk with any one, and Florida TodayGreggnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19394281.post-2530128934329999622009-08-24T18:40:10.789-04:002009-08-24T18:40:10.789-04:00Interesting article! From what I understand the EE...Interesting article! From what I understand the EELV route was intentionally discarded: "black zones" ...in order to build the Program of Record [POR]. Amusingly (if true?) ...Orion was additionally 'super-sized' so as to also prevent its launch on EELV. Alas the latter seems to have come back to bite the hand that drew up the design specs. Perhaps one day the American Taxpayer Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19394281.post-67369864664087465382009-08-24T17:46:57.585-04:002009-08-24T17:46:57.585-04:00John Kelly, look at this
http://vids.myspace.com/...John Kelly, look at this<br /><br />http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=38704114<br /><br />This rocket will work. The DIRECTLAUNCHER...no more political games..get something that will work, cost less, and get the USA flying again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19394281.post-12281725219256750822009-08-24T17:31:32.730-04:002009-08-24T17:31:32.730-04:00John Kelly you should take a good look at Direct l...John Kelly you should take a good look at Direct launch.<br /><br />http://www.directlauncher.com/<br /><br />It will be the most ready rocket, human rated, and can go to the moon. It uses the Shuttle SRB's, Main tank, engines (human rated), and everyone knows these parts work. It has over 30 years history. It will save money by being the most ready and you no longer have the use the Shuttle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19394281.post-10965219000080352432009-08-24T17:31:16.688-04:002009-08-24T17:31:16.688-04:00John Kelly you should take a good look at Direct l...John Kelly you should take a good look at Direct launch.<br /><br />http://www.directlauncher.com/<br /><br />It will be the most ready rocket, human rated, and can go to the moon. It uses the Shuttle SRB's, Main tank, engines (human rated), and everyone knows these parts work. It has over 30 years history. It will save money by being the most ready and you no longer have the use the Shuttle.To the moon!!!!!!noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19394281.post-2702528307530908872009-08-24T17:06:31.834-04:002009-08-24T17:06:31.834-04:00Russia has a pretty good record using older, prove...Russia has a pretty good record using older, proven technology...Why do we insist on having the latest (pun intended) a not always best of everything...Use what works...We do not need to improve on the "mousetrap"...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19394281.post-40905293572091354072009-08-24T16:58:14.320-04:002009-08-24T16:58:14.320-04:00Man rating these boosters would add 10 years to th...Man rating these boosters would add 10 years to the present flow of things. One launcher cannot do it all so bring on Direct 3.0 !! Hello..McFly..Is anyone home at NASA.? You let NASA use these rockets and we'll never get out of Earth orbit for another..say..40 years ????jakenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19394281.post-68314170269425642772009-08-24T16:57:22.341-04:002009-08-24T16:57:22.341-04:00It's an opinion column, so perhaps it's th...It's an opinion column, so perhaps it's the opinion that is frustrating you. Which is fine. We all have opinions. If you've got one that's pertinent to the issue, share it. Otherwise, I often find people who say things like this actually can't find a fact error in the story or column. Rather they disagree with the point of view or opinion being expressed. That's totally John Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04065607079350698475noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19394281.post-29489968467697581292009-08-24T16:53:37.001-04:002009-08-24T16:53:37.001-04:00Mr. Kelly,
Your is article is so frustrating, I do...Mr. Kelly,<br />Your is article is so frustrating, I don't even want to waste time correcting you. Suffice to say, articles like this are why I canceled my subscription to FloridaToday.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19394281.post-72089993189083513192009-08-24T16:53:03.171-04:002009-08-24T16:53:03.171-04:00If there is a specific inaccuracy in this piece, p...If there is a specific inaccuracy in this piece, please point it out. Otherwise, if you've got an actual point to make related to the ones we made in this opinion column, please share. We welcome your feedback and input.John Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04065607079350698475noreply@blogger.com